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Pure Trex · Dec 05, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

I use a warrior for tanking in UW and FoW etc... and they seem to be in high demand when a party goes to one of these, how come so many feel they're useless?

Vinraith · Dec 05, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

I don't know about others, but lately none of my usual party compositions involve any melee at all (well, beyond minions), just casters. I haven't tried that configuration in UW/FoW though, so I couldn't say about that.

Windf0rce · Dec 05, 2007, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Maybe these people refer to tank builds in PvP (who mostly waste other's time and can't pose a threat to nearly anyone).

At PvE the tank builds are certainly useful in areas like FoW and UW. There may be also some areas in PvE where tanking isn't all necessary so a Warrior could contribute more dealing damage.

Anyway just play the way you enjoy playing. If it is tanking, and it works, do it. Avoid listening to all the crap elitist speech out there and have fun.

Full Metal X · Dec 05, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Team wide passive defense>a character wasting their whole bar to tank, and its just boring to play that way.

Velise_Snowtorm · Dec 05, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Same, especially when it's with heroes because AI can't really 'tank' properly. Just did an UW spider cap with a friend (he wanted one) and 6 heroes, all casters no melee. Seems to me in 99% of cases I simply don't need a 'tank'. If there is danger of swarm aggro, minions work wonders in many places. If minions aren't an option, an extra support class like para or rit usually helps out with survival through heavy aggro.

And yes, I do have a warrior that I've played through all of PvE.

Racthoh · Dec 05, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Pure Trex

how come so many feel they're useless?

Because a warrior with 14-16 in weapon is a lot more useful. There is no need to dedicate your entire bar to soaking up damage when you have the highest natural AL of the 10 professions and two monks with skills to prot/move red bars up.

zwei2stein · Dec 05, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windf0rce

At PvE the tank builds are certainly useful in areas like FoW and UW. There may be also some areas in PvE where tanking isn't all necessary so a Warrior could contribute more dealing damage.

Thing is, there is NO area in game were tanking is necessary.

Warrior always contributes more by dealing damage.

~ Dan ~ · Dec 05, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

Because a warrior with 14-16 in weapon is a lot more useful. There is no need to dedicate your entire bar to soaking up damage when you have the highest natural AL of the 10 professions and two monks with skills to prot/move red bars up.

QFT. I don't see people saying a warrior tank is useless. All i see is people stating how tanking in general is useless. And they're right.

Bryant Again · Dec 05, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

What's said is how in the Factions manual they refer to warriors as tanks...uck.

Squishy ftw · Dec 05, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Trex

I use a warrior for tanking in UW and FoW etc... and they seem to be in high demand when a party goes to one of these, how come so many feel they're useless?

Why are they in high demand in Fow/UW ?
- Because more than 90% of the PUGs are..bad, and playing tank/nuke/heal is something that pretty much everyone can do without screwing up somewhere..altho some still manage to do so.

How come many feel they're useless ?
- Because any decent/balanced team brings passive defense/shutdown like wards, shouts, aegis, weakness, ... which makes a tank totally unneeded. And warrior have an awesome DPS ! use it.

Just compare the usefulnes of a SY spamming D-slash warrior to that of a tank.
Sy spammer: +100 armor to everyone except himself(within earshot..) AND an awfully nice DPS with D-slash. Not to mention he still got half a skill bar left to use.

A tank: he soaks up damage. That's pretty much it. If he goes down or makes a mistake, byebye PUG.

At least that's how I think about the matter

street peddler · Dec 05, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

only time one of my groups ever needed one was for slavers exile.

DarkGanni · Dec 05, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by street peddler

only time one of my groups ever needed one was for slavers exile.

/Clap Thanks For saying what it's true (and no thats not sarcasm).

Personally I used to tank for fow alot, however later I realised it was way too boring and so I jumped to the real thing. IMO all fow/uw groups that require a warrior to just tank are all = FAIL!

- Ganni

Master Knightfall · Dec 05, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Never heard of a warrior being useless in PVE only assassins, memsers and rangers.

bungusmaximus · Dec 05, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

I don't know why I should bring an obsidian warrior when I can bring 2 paragons with "stand your ground" that also kill people in the process. Warriors tear stuff to pieces, that's where they are good at. Let monks take care of defense, and if I need to tank, a normal warrior or even pets and minions do just as fine.

Assassins tear PvE apart, just give them a DPS build.

Crom The Pale · Dec 05, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Part of the problem lies with the players and the AI.

People forget that the AI in hard mode is tweeked to get more spikes off, and if your a lone war charging in they will all target you and kill you very quickly if your monk cant move up and save you. This type of play style has lead to many people hating tanks. Take that same party will all ranged attackers and the AI is forced to pick more than one target as most casters have equal armor.

A skilled player that allows a monk to preprot him before he agros and has the right skills to deal damage and buff his party can be extremely effective. The simple fact is that most people view a war as a C+SPACE char and play it as such. The reality is that a war is a complex char to play correctly within an organized party.

freaky naughty · Dec 05, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Usually for places like UW I only bring like 2 - 3 defensive skills and I have the rest offensive on my tank. The aatxes are a pretty big problem if they get to your backlines so a tank is more useful there.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 05, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Trex

I use a warrior for tanking in UW and FoW etc... and they seem to be in high demand when a party goes to one of these, how come so many feel they're useless?

I have a clue what I'm on about.
PuGs, on the other hand, do not.
*strokes e-peen. It's big*

Tanking characters are a waste of space.
Having a character throw out stupid DPS and +100AL for the rest of the party is not a waste of space.

Age · Dec 05, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

The only time a tank is needed in GW is in the elite areas other than that they should be strictly Warrior dishing out damage no need got high points in strength .Warriors dishing out damage are usefull and switching targets is very usefull and will kill things faster.

chowmein69 · Dec 05, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

warriors arent useless to me

Tyla · Dec 05, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

tanks are bad.
and no, it isnt warrior tanks - its all tanks.
DPS is better and leave tanks to the "omg imbapowah" areas.
and dont refer to warriors as tanks...please!